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Seed-Starting Pageant

2009-01-08:  started 26 pansies indoors in handmade newspaper pots, to set out in March / April, depending. Pansies laugh at frost - some of my fall pansies are still blooming in January.

13 Pansy Antique Shades - Burpee. Said to start 12 weeks before setting out.

13 Pansy Flambe Terracotta Shades - Park. Said to start 8-10 weeks before setting out, but last year's from Park said the same, and underestimated, I think.

week 0: pansy starter pots (normally covered - germinate in dark, ~ 65 degrees)

1 week pansy seedling project - not so happy with newspaper pots 2009-01-17: Only 3 pansies have germinated so far - those three pots removed to my window for some light,  the rest remain lidded in the dark. That's perfectly normal germination speed for pansies. But I'm not very happy with the newspaper pots - they seem to be getting moldy. There's a lot to be said for plastic's bleachability. So much for virtuous recycling - can recycle plastic, too...

(Later) Now have 5 germinated pansies, and they're installed under my new seed-starting lights. Out in the garage, where it's hovering around 50 degrees. Well, pansies like it... Painted the outside of all the newspaper pots with H2O2 and poured a little mixed with water in the trays... Hopefully that'll cut down on the mold or whatever-it-is.

2009-01-20: 17 of 26 pansy pots already germinated and out under seedling lights, happy. Continuing de-molding... Pansies germinate slow - packet said 12-20 days, so most of these were actually a bit early.

Planted my Feb 1 stuff a bit early, because the snapdragon/coleus garden needs renewal:

7 terracotta snapdragon, 8 wizard mix coleus, and 2 carmen pepper for the kozy coats experiment (due outside ~April 1). I have a good supply of cloneable coleus, but I still want the other patterns...

 2009-01-31: Seedling projects coming along. Tossed the last 3 newspaper pansy pots that hadn't germinated. Bought some new plastic tray inserts and transplanted the moldier half of the pansies into them last night - enough with the newspaper pots. No fatalities, so I'll do the rest today. I rigged a little plastic-wrap greenhouse over half the Park Starts block, thinking the snapdragons wouldn't like it that warm. But the two snaps inside the greenhouse germinated much faster, so now everything's inside. But the snaps and peppers will need to move to more light soon. I seem to get consistently better results by germinating seeds 10° warmer than Park Seeds tells me to...

3 weeks pansy seedlings - mold will not die on the pots. :(  3 weeks: transplanting pansy seedlings to plastic inserts.  1.5 weeks snapdragon, coleus, carmen pepper.  Korean red curl after 2nd week under lights , plus long-term pansy project. 

2009-02-01: Finished transferring pansies, snapdragons, peppers to pots to grow. One coleus testing the temperature in the garage for a week or so, the rest still hanging out by the pro100. Five snapdragons out in the garage, one moved to ornamental mini. Almost 2 weeks since planted in Park Starts block.

Seedling light shelf filling up.  12-day-old wizard mix coleus still in plug block (seeing how one does in the cold garage first).  12-day-old transplants, coleus lower left, rest terracotta snapdragons. Age 12 days transplanted carmen peppers to pot. 

2009-02-08: February thaw arrived yesterday, but was preceded by arctic cold. Added plastic domes where I could and brought seedlings inside during the dark cycle to warm up, but... Not a lot of growth. Broke down and ordered a seedling heat mat (had $25 Amazon coupon, so only $4.50...) Will arrive during February thaw, when not needed, of course. But the pansies especially seem pretty far behind where I'd like them to be by now. They need to grow up and go outside in about a month. A few of my outdoor pansies are still blooming despite an unusually cold winter.

Seedling shelf - used greenhouse domes & brought inside during some bitter cold nights.  19 days: coleus bottom left, snapdragons.  19 days : Indoor coleus seedlings.  Pansy closeup. It's been too cold even for these guys...  February thaw - one of my pansies still blooming out there.  Carmen pepper seedlings and komatsuna outrider. 

2009-02-14: Planted seeds :

6 Sweet Pea Streamers mix - used bean innoculant - that's very cool, nitrogen-fixing bacteria in a can. I think that was my problem with beans last year - the ones grown in potting mix didn't have the necessary bacterial symbiotes.

1 Early Girl indeterminate tomato (for the kozy koats experiment - target outdoors April 1)

3 baby leaf spinach & 3 little Caesar romaine lettuce for early greens

Progress on older seedlings: they're doing fine.

Seedling light shelf, now with partial heat mat  3.5 weeks coleus, on seedling shelf (bottom left mutation is 3 months old).  5.5 weeks pansies  3.5 week snapdragon / one yellowed coleus.  3.5 week carmen pepper + komatsuna outrider 

2009-02-28: Pro100 converted to seed-starting pageant use.

Planted 1 bambino eggplant (Burpee), 1 eggplant twinkle (Park Seed), another early girl tomato (Park Seed), and 4 coleus cuttings.

And in seedling mix, 18 petunia dolcissima flambe and 18 shady lady impatiens cancun mix (both Park Seed).

petunia dolcissima flambe (Park) impatiens shady lady cancun mix (Park) eggplant twinkle (Park) early girl tomato (indet) bambino eggplant (Burpee)

2009-03-06: Started hardening pansies outdoors in the suddenly-balmy 42-degree weather...

2009-03-18: First night outside for pansies, lettuce, spinach. Decided sweet pea flat was a lost cause & tossed it.

Planted 2 peat pots of Burpee Sweet&Early cantaloupe, 1 pt of Park Cucumber Pearl. Still waffling on which goes into the kozy coats early planting experiment. Also started Buck's County Hybrid tomato (Burpee) in Pro100. Amazing - that tomato says 74 days to maturity from seed, not from transplant. Probably just a typo. Wouldn't it be nice, though...

2009-03-22: Based on kozy coats / aqua-shield test, decided it was time to plant -

1 Supertasty tomato (Burpee - I grew these last year from Burpee-grown transplants, prolific semi-determinates)

1 each mariachi and banana peppers

1 Japanese cuke

6 French marigolds (for their insecticidal properties)

11 caladiums

2009-03-28: planted

1 more Mariachi pepper, to replace a pro100 pod failure

2 more cantaloupes, 1 pearl cuke, 1 Japanese cuke, in diff potting mix - first seeding in MG Organic only netted 1 melon seedling in a week

1 more Buck's County tomato, direct in potting mix. Pro100 start not very healthy.

2 bush beans on daughter's windowsill, in their target pots 

2009-04-11: planted

backup tomatoes : 2 Bucks county, 1 supertasty. The last backup Bucks county seeds failed.

1 kibits tomato, with the last of my kibits seeds

1 backup carmen pepper

3 sweet basil, 3 fernleaf dill

18 more marigolds and 6 nasturtiums for a condo association project

2009-04-19: planted

2 oregano

4 jewel mix nasturtiums jewel mix nasturtiums (burpee)(Burpee)

3 empress of india nasturtiums (Burpee) (Burpee) Empress of India nasturtiums

The nasturtiums are supposed to be good insecticidal companion plants for cucumbers and cabbages.

2009-04-25: planted (in Dixie cups)

1 Magda squash (Lebanese zucchini)
1 tendergreen cucumber
1 sweeter yet cucumber
1 backup cantaloupe
1 backup Japanese cucumber
1 backup cucumber Pearl

2009-05-17: Sowed one more cantaloupe and a cape gooseberry. (It's very late for the gooseberry, but I'm curious.)

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I really like the newspaper pots! Thanks for the link, I am going to give them a try. It seems odd the mold appeared so quickly.  I envy that you are all ready planting!  The seed starting light set up looks like it will do the job wonderfully

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Yeah, it worries me how many mold problems I've been having lately... Dunno why. Though keeping them dark and damp and covered gave the mold a perfect environment.

Pansies take forever. But it really is nice to start something growing for outside in the dead of winter. I want spring already... I lived too long down in Texas. I was born here in New England, but now I'm like a frostbitten penguin - lost my cold-adaptation.

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Looking good! Your light tilt mechanism is working out great.

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Posted more pictures up top.

Finally broke down and ordered a seedling heat mat to put in the garage. Not really needed at the moment (February thaw), but I really think they'll all grow better with a bit more warmth, even the pansies. And there's no question of putting the summer seedlings out under the seed-starting lights without it. They'd be happier indoors plus a heat mat.

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Tell me about your heat mat. My green chiles need heat but low humidity and if I configure the grow tent for warmth the humidity gets way too high.

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Ordered this one from Amazon - had a $25 coupon, so only $4.50 to save my seedling project... Should arrive Tuesday, probably. Draws 17 watts. They have other sizes and optional thermostat, but smallest and uncontrolled should be good enough for my purposes.

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FWIW, Bruce, Park Seed and Burpee also sell seedling heat mats, possibly better ones. They're just more expensive than Amazon's, since you get free shipping at Amazon, like I do. And the reviews (well, those few that made sense...) at Amazon's suggested theirs worked OK.

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Nice but one to fit my grow tent would be almost $100. My Amazon Prime is coming due in a couple of weeks, do you subscribe to it also? I'm going to post a message to see if anybody wants to join me. It's $80 a year and I can have three other "relatives" on the account. Things from Amazon.com itself have free two day shipping and $4 overnight. Interested, sister?

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10x20" wouldn't fit in your grow tent? I figured it would... not fill your growtent, but could try one, and if it it helped, consider a second... Not really any need to pave the floor exactly.

I am a Prime member, thanks, and I think my renewal is midsummer. I think I tried that "relatives" dodge when I first signed up, but all the relatives had to live under one roof? My mother and I share a Barnes and Noble membership, so I was pretty surprised the Amazon Prime rules didn't stretch that way. They may have changed policy, though?

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Hmm... I could try a couple, the tent is 48x20 so I'd need four to cover completly but two might do the job.

I've never had a problem with Prime and "relatives" in 4 years. All I need is a name and birth day, minus year, address doesn't matter. I've had a couple of friends in other places on my account with no problems. My brother lives in Austin, TX and daughter lives in Seattle, we never had a problem.

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Guess I was thinking 1 10x20 mat per autopot dual unit. They're intended to heat a seedling tray by contact.

Interesting, that Amazon doesn't enforce the same-address rule. I'm still out, though - have membership. Sorry!

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Have you got your heat mat set up yet? You're right about one fitting under each double unit so I ordered two, should have them Thursday. They'll fit inside the raised edge but there's a 2" wide strip down the middle that has only 1/8" head space that might weigh on them, otherwise there's plenty of space. I hope they can take a little weight.

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My heat mat's supposed to arrive tomorrow night.

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Hmm... my two day shipping has turned into a week. Guess I'll email Amazon and bitch, they always give a few $$ refund for slow shipping. Wish they still had the 30 day price matching, I made a couple hundred off that. It never fails, as soon as I buy it the price drops. Once was a matter of two minutes. GRRR

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Huh. Didn't realize I could get money back for that... Yeah, my two-day shipping on something ordered Saturday, is supposed to arrive Thursday...

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Aha! I take it back, they lied. Seed mat arrived today, so, order processing Monday, shipping to Wednesday... close enough. Put my coleus seedlings out there in the garage with the group - so seedling mat under 2 (of 4) 6-packs of pansies, the snapdragons, coleus, spinach, and radishes, and sort of 1/2 under the lettuce. It's definitely warmer, though slow to warm. Wish me luck.

Of course, today it was 60 degrees out, so not much needed. That won't last...

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Please keep me posted on how they do. I've got way too much RH and not enough temp so I need them badly. They finally shipped but show they're in Wyoming, MI and due next week sometime. Never knew that place existed. Just sent them an email griping about the delay, will let you know.

My last item, 105-9124089-4897847 was supposed to be shipped two day Prime and arrive today. Now they may be here next week sometime. What's going on? I have plants that dearly need these things.

We'll see what they say but bet I get a few $$ refund.

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So far, so good, but I think I need to put some kind of insulated floor under the mat, instead of mostly-air from the holes in the utility shelf. That would probably increase heat going up. Not a problem in your case.

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Yeah, that would help a bunch, it's trying to heat up the metal shelves which are great heatsinks. Amazon's shipping page says they're to arrive the 16th but when I checked UPS's site, they show shipped two day air and will arrive tomorrow. wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/track .

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Plastic shelves, with big holes. But yeah - an insulated floor would help.

Oddly, UPS' site showed my shipment would arrive Thursday. But it had simply arrived kinda late (like 8 am) at the local dispatchery. But I always get my shipments in the evening anyway, so - they got it sorted and out to me on Wednesday. Maybe UPS is systematically over-estimating in an attempt to lower people's expectations?

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Got my two heat mats late this evening and have them going already. They fit perfectly under the dual AutoPots. I removed the plants from the first one and did some plant damage plus made a huge mess, I just picked up one end of the second one half an inch and Maere slid the mat right into place, took all of a minute, max.

It's starting to look like a physics project, five power cords are coming out of the tent now, two for the heat mats, one for the lamps, one for the circulation fan and one for the vent fan plus two timers, one for the lights and one for the vent fan. Thanks for the heads up on these mats!

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Good luck with them! Feels strange having a heating surface that generates so little heat, but that's kinda what it needs to do in this application...

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Off topic again but the heat mats are doing exactly what I wanted, the heat is staying between 76* and 81* and RH is averaging about 30% so I'm happy and the Chiles seem real happy, they're overgrowing the tent with peppers and flowers everywhere. Thanks for another great suggestion, dunno what I'd do without you.

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Oh, glad it worked for you! I think mine's working well, too, except I suspect it was the sudden improvement in growing conditions that made my little radishes split. Oh, well.

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2009-02-21:

Seedlings - snapdragon, coleus, lettuce & spinach. No sweet peas germinated yet.  Seedlings: 6-week pansies coming along nicely.  Pepper seedling closeup - for kozy coat outside ~ April 1.  Korean red curl outrider - amaranth & lettuce - tomato seedling for kozy coats planting.

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I read a cool idea at Park Seed - plant tomato seedlings in only 2" of potting mix, then as they get tall, fill up the pot and grow more roots.

I'd already started my Early Girl tomato seedling in a full pot of soil, but tried repotting it tonight lower in the pot. Hopefully I didn't kill it in the process.

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2009-02-28: The tomato survived the repotting.

The pansies are ready to start hardening off whenever the great outdoors looks a bit more promising. At this point, there are still low-20's (possible teens) forecast for overnight lows, and my container garden soil is still only thawed for the first few inches. Snow and sleet the next couple days - I expect at least one more heavy snow.

But there are signs of life... Some crocus tips are visible, and possibly a peony. Last fall's pansies yet live, but the thaw-freeze-thaw thing this time of year may finish them. I may plant spinach seeds outside in a partly-thawed container this weekend, just to monitor when they sprout.

Seedlings responded well to 2 days on the Deluxe.  7-week happy pansies! Ready to harden outside soon.  Coleus from seed - hopefully indoor temps will help.  2-week spinach and romaine, sweet pea (back). 5.5 week snapdragons. 

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2009-03-07: The tomato survived the repotting, but it's not very healthy looking... Yellow, despite Miracle Gro in its water. I started eggplants for the summer garden (and maybe to join my other AG eggplant, if it delivers fruit soon in the AG...) and added an extra Early Girl tomato to try again - the 1-week-old might overtake this 3 week-old by time to start them outside in the kozy koats around April 1. The carmen pepper started 1.5 weeks too early, and grew even faster. So... with buds and all (some removed), this plant looks like it will be oversized before time to go outside. Will start the third KK plant - a cuke - next weekend.

3 weeks: this early girl tomato doesn't look healthy (for kozy koats, outdoors ~April 1)  6.5 week carmen pepper for transplant Apr 1 - started too early, it has buds! 

Since last night, it's suddenly warm enough to put the petunias and impatiens in the garage (on a heat mat), so the seedling shelf is now full, the whole length of the lights. (The shelf isn't that wide, but the trays are rigid enough.) The petunias and impatiens are sprouting, with their usual impressive seedlings (about the size of pinpricks, and they stay pathetic looking for weeks yet.) The spring plants (right tray) started hardening outdoors yesterday. I've never grown sweet peas before, and so far... am bemused. We'll see... today planted some sweet pea outside where they'll grow, to see when they come up. Also prepped one of the growboxes (still frozen at the bottom, but that's OK) and planted spinach, romaine, and swiss chard seeds. Concept being that when they sprout, the spinach and lettuce seedlings can be set out.

Seedling shelf kinda full.  1 week: petunias and impatiens sprouting - miniscule.  This flat outdoor-hardening now (snapdragon, romaine/spinach, lonely sweet pea, pansies).  Never grown sweet pea before... Funky plant, not germinating well...  Romaine lettuce and baby leaf spinach.  1 week: coleus cuttings, replacement early girl tomato, bambino & twinkle eggplants. Korean red curl outriders.  1 week cuttings and 6.5 week coleus from seed.  Planted spinach, swiss chard, romaine, so can tell when to put out transplant spinach & romaine lettuce. 

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I'm going to forget if I don't write it down... Attempts to salvage 3-week-old tomato seedling:

  • It had a fair bit of algae on its surface. Scraped a layer of seedling mix off and added paper collar.
  • It seemed too hot. Removed its pedestal and put it down on the grow surface, farther from the lights.
  • There was room to add more soil without removing leaves, so added a 1-inch layer of Miracle Gro potting mix on top, and watered it down. I dunno if it's old enough to grow more roots on its stem yet, but it might be rootbound...

So far, its younger leaves are still yellow with green veins. But I've done all these changes within the last 36 hours.