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Outdoor Tomatoes 2010

Thursday I put my first Early Girl tomato, now aged 4 weeks, out in its Kozy Coat. I'd planned to do that a little later this year than last, but hey, it worked well last year, and this year's warmer.  I did want to start with a smaller plant though this year, and did that.

4 week early girl tomato - moved out into cloche a few days ago. 

Have a bunch of other seedlings - tomato, pepper, eggplant, 1-2 weeks younger than this one. They look like seedlings - no reason to bother taking pictures. Have : another Early Girl (gift), SuperTasty, Bucks County the rematch, Tomande, Brandy Boy, Razzleberry, and Sungold cherry (gift). Probably another one will be a gift, too - don't have habitat / appetite for that many tomatoes. But I couldn't decide which to grow!

2010-04-30 - 05-01: Four more tomato plants put out in cloches.

2010-05-16: Mom's sungold cherry tomato out in a pot, already flowering.

2010-05-25: Dad's supertasty and early girl planted, already flowering. All my tomatoes now have normal flowers (I think the first buds were frost-damaged). Mom's tomato has set first fruits.

Harvest:

tomande - 133 (first 7-14, 15.5 weeks, 73 days from transplant in cloche) - deleted plant age 28 weeks

early girl - 55 (first 7-15, 16.5 weeks, 88 days from transplant in cloche) - deleted plant age 31 weeks

bucks county - 26 (first 7-20?, 16.5 weeks) - deleted plant age 30 weeks

razzleberry - 10 (first 7-15, 15.5 weeks, 74 days from transplant in cloche) - deleted plant 7-29

brandy boy - 3 (first 7-20, 16.5 weeks, none fully ripe or blemish free) - deleted plant at age 17 weeks

 

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Early girl cloched tomato looks whiney, but growing well. Not sure when the next batch will be planted out - possibly Saturday.

6 week early girl tomato  

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7-week early girl tomato emerging from its teepee. Put out the remaining 4 tomato plants in cloches this weekend, all aged 5 weeks. It's supposed to be in the 70's all this week, though there's still a night below 40 in the long range forecast. One of the new transplants - razzleberry or tomande? - already has a big bud.

5 week buck's county tomato (transplant day), 7 week early girl. 7 week early girl tomato emerging from cloche. It'll unravel once it escapes the teepee. 5 week razzleberry and buck's county, 7 week early girl tomatoes emerging from cloche. 5 week brandy boy and tomande tomatoes planted out. 

 

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Hi   I am impressed with your  Kozy Coat. and your temperatures. At present my highs are in the low 50s and the lows a few degrees above freezing.  Do you need somebody to water your plants? 

Wher did ou get the Kozy Coat.  I donot think there are available here?

 

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Thanks, Hengis. Last spring here wasn't much warmer than you describe, and my tomatoes in kozy coats grew OK. But usually we're a bit warmer and a lot drier than Scotland. I got the Kozy Coats from Park Seed, and the aqua ones - Wall o Water - from Burpee. (Do not buy the product called Burpee Aqua Shield - those all leaked, and the seams broke, so they turned into water bags instead of teepees...) Both are available from a number of places in the US.

Maybe you could ask the Kozy Coat manufacturers? Or hunt on Wall o Water, or Season Starter. The generic term, cloche, doesn't do too well on the search engines.

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This week was unseasonably warm (70's, some 80's), and the outdoor tomatoes really took off! It's toasty inside those cloches when the weather's warm and bright.

6 week razzleberry and buck's county, 8 week early girl tomatoes. Radishes, etc. around edges of growbox. 6 week brandy boy tomato and friends - mostly spinach. 6 week tomande and romaine and spinach. 

All have buds, some probably about to open. Tomande seems to be in the lead, though it's far from the biggest plant. The aqua-cloched tomatoes upstairs get less light, and much less heat than the ones on the sun-baked blacktop driveway.

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Hi Folks

Gisette couldn't find anything on the net until I tried Wallnof Watter.  I found somebody using large lemonade ( soda) bottles in a ring to achieve the same thing.  Worth thinking about?

 

I have another question.  My tom which is now showing three sets of buds is doing well.  However the two lower sets of buds are doing nothing while the top set of buds seem to be developing into flowers.  Any comments? Could it be my lights are not penetrating to the bottom set of buds?

 

Amd a question probably for Pete:-  At the moment I am growing in peralite about 3" deep with a pool of water and neuts up to 1" deep.  I was goirng to use my smart valve but that is a little inconvenient at the moment.  The plants seem to be thirving (touch wooden head).  Could it be I have all three tupes of roots as you describe?

 

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Hi, Hengis. The soda bottle ring would certainly help a bit, to cut the wind, and let off a bunch of heat when/if they freeze. Not as much of an enclosure, of course, to trap heat. Bottles of water inside an enclosure are good thermal masses for holding heat overnight. The cloches are supposed to protect plants down to 16° F (-9 C). Of course, that's against a cold night, not a long spell of those temperatures - brr. And they don't grow in the cold, they merely survive it.

I'm not sure what makes some tomato buds develop and others not in your case. For me, it's generally been the overall health and happiness of the plant. If the plant is growing stringy, it wants more light. A 6500K CFL light bulb can help - at the side instead of more on top.

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Just a thought on your tomato plants: the best flowers are produced on vigorous new shoots, you are probably seeing the top ones develop before the bottom ones due to them having the most light.

The perlite - I think you are referring to an old post about root types (air, combination and water) if I remember correctly. I don't see why you don't have the different types, roots in the 1" water will turn into the water seeking type while the others will develop into your furry air type.

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The tomatoes got a few little patches of frostbite this week on leaves touching their cloches, but seem vigorously happy for all that. One, the tomande, has a flower open, but it opened before the frost, so don't have much hope of that amounting to anything. Buds are developing on all of them.

7 week razzleberry and buck's county, 8 week early girl in cloches, couple tomatoes for my father beneath them. 7 week brandy boy tomato 7 week tomande tomato - has a flower 

The plants for my parents are overdue for transplanting out, and blooming, but they aren't getting cloches where they're going, so they had to wait.

7 week sungold cherry tomato potted & delivered to Mom today - 4 flowers open 

 

 

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Growing enthusiastically, no fruit set. First flowers may have been damaged by last week's cold. Though bigger, not at all clear early girl will bear first fruit.

8 week razzleberry & buck's county, 9 week early girl tomatoes. First flowers. 8 week brandy boy and tomande tomatoes. Flowers, but still possibly cold-damaged ones (small). 

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Hi Gisette,

  Yay tomatoes!  My Early Wonder tomato set a pea size tom!  Have you noticed that the first flower doesn't set the first tomato?  I've noticed that the last couple of years.  Does that happen for you?  I think I obsess too much....

Beth

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LOL, Beth! It is funny, how we pay so much attention to them now, even knowing which flower turned into which fruit! They just take so long... That's one of the reasons I keep planting the silly zucchinis year after year. They fruit first, plain and simple. While I'm still waiting for all the other fruiting plants...

I think in this case, all my first buds got cold damage, so I wouldn't be surprised if none of them took. But the ones for my parents got brought inside every night - they might set something. I was astonished that the mohawk and lipstick peppers you sent me actually set fruit from first flowers. Every pepper I've ever had before dropped fruitlet after fruitlet before managing to hold onto one.

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It's your fault (and this group) that I notice things like this .  Or maybe that I'd admit it!!  I want to document each tomato variety days from pea size  to ripe fruit.  You guys don't think that is odd......    BTW Cherokee Purple is a close second.  Garden tomatoes take forever.

I'm glad the Mohawk and Lipstick are growing well.  The Mohawk did just fine inside in the Prepara with little attention.  I hope you enjoy the peppers. I maybe didn't like the taste because of the neglect. 

Sorry about the basil seeds.  Weird.  Maybe a Postal thing?  You want more seeds?

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LOL! No, we don't think documenting tomato growth is odd. Or, rather, maybe we're a support group for people who think that way...

Ooh. You didn't like their flavor in the Prepara? Maybe they'll taste better outside! Everything else sure seems to.

I could've sworn those basil seeds looked fine when they arrived. And they sat in my office (cool, in winter), or the garage (cooler, but never below freezing). Can't explain it. No rush on the basil seeds - yeah, if you happen to be sending me something sometime, I'd like a rematch. But no hurry - I've already got a couple lemon basil, a new lime basil, and 6 or so sweet basils. Heh, they'll probably all go to seed before I have tomatoes to go with all that basil.

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Mom's tomatoes set first fruit, so those will be earliest to harvest (they're sungold cherries). Dad's plants are in the ground as of Tuesday, and both were flowering (supertasty and early girl). All mine are now flowering. Got taller very fast with the heat the past couple days, and hammered badly by a thunderstorm last night. Time to cage & stake 'em.

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Tomatoes deliriously happy with the hot weather this week. Un-cloched the downstairs ones yesterday, may leave the bluegreen cloches on upstairs on the 3rd floor deck. All flowering. No little fruits up to pea size yet.

9 week razzleberry - flowering, out of cloche, caged. 9 week bucks county, 10 week early girl, flowering, just removed from cloches & caged. 9 week brandy boy and tomande tomatoes - these keep their cloches. Flowering. 

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Even hotter and even happier this week. I think there's fruit set on all tomatoes, but only the downstairs ones have a few plumped up to large blueberry size.

Aphids have arrived... Picked some off by hand, but mostly seeing how the natural predators make out. Only the early girl had more than a few aphids, and maybe only on a couple branches.

10 week razzleberry tomato drinks like a fish. 10 week razzleberry has biggest fruit - with another almost this size. 10 week bucks county, 11 week early girl, both have one or two blueberry sized fruit, lots of flowers. 10 week brandy boy tomato - lots of flowers, no fruit reach pea size yet. 10 week tomande tomato - lots of flowers, no fruit reach pea size yet. 

The downstairs crops got a dose of seaweed fertilizer this week. All love that stuff. Not full strength - just added some normal strength to their reservoirs, so very dilute. Tomato plants don't need much more encouragement...

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Less hot, no less happy, definite fruit growing on all plants. It's a shame tomatoes don't stay so pretty looking. They're actually attractive, now.

11 week razzleberry tomato - lots of fruit and flowers (this one's determinate) 11 week razzleberry biggest fruit 11 week bucks county, 12 week early girl, both have fruit 11 week bucks county, largest fruit 12 week early girl, largest fruit 11 week brandy boy tomato - couple fruit growing, pea-sized 11 week brandy boy, only pea-sized fruit yet (78 days, 5.5 inch fruits supposedly) 11 week tomande - big plant! lots of fruits and flowers 11 week tomande has lots of fruits, large blueberry sized 

I'm really looking forward to those tomandes - they look so cool. The brandy boy is the first beefsteak sized tomato I've ever grown. They say it tastes like the legendary brandywine... which I've never tasted. But I'm curious. But have my doubts whether that balcony really gets enough sun for a beefsteak.

Mom's sungold cherry already has 2 tresses of cherry-sized fruit. Dad's plants lag mine in development.

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Hi, Beth -

I saw on GardenWeb you asked about slightly purpling tiny-freckled tomato leaves, and people suggested you use some boron-yielding eyewash on them. Did you try this? Did it help?

My razzleberry has this slight purpling, and leaf roll. The plant still seems to be metabolically thriving - more growth, new flowers, fruit setting and growing. Not that big, but it's determinate. It drinks its entire reservoir in less than a day.

Anyway, I'm trying to decide whether to try the boron eyewash trick. Another option is that I bought extra GrowBox nutrient-mulch kits. I could break open one of them and use maybe 1/4 of the nutes as a top-side dressing on the razzleberry pot, and use some on other pots as well. The growbox tomatoes never do leaf curl or purple spots - they look gorgeous at this point. (They often do BER. But the previous summers have all had torrential rain and wind problems.)

What do you think?

I hope your tomatoes are doing well! Close to harvesting first ones down there? I'm still not sure which of these will ripen first.

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P.S. Beth - some pictures to go with that question.

razzleberry, 12 weeks, whole plant (looking at a leaf problem) razzleberry - leaf roll, purple undersides, fine freckles comparison, leaves of bucks county tomato (has aphids, but green & no rolling) razzleberry has lots of growing tomatoes (maybe 20+, plus flowers setting more) 

This is a couple hours after I tried adding a little more Sea Magic (seaweed fertilizer). That stuff's effects are near-instantaneous. It looks a bit better, but not on the purple & rolling problems.

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Well, I decided to try the growbox nutes instead of the eye solution - but lightly. The amount used in a growbox for one tomato plant (half a nutrient/mulch patch), I split between 10 plants. Maybe a tablespoon each. Not a dramatic turnaround on any of the plants, but the razzleberry does seem to be slightly less purple-leafed.

All plants growing like mad, far too many tomatoes. Most of the growbox plants have already way outgrown their supports, and it's only June. They will need to be pruned down for size, that's for sure. Aphids are infesting the growbox on the driveway. So far no drastic measures - just hosing them. Which isn't very effective. But I'm hoping the insect predators will work harder. The brandy boy tomato had the season's first BER casualty. Hopefully the bucks county will do less of that this year.

12 week razzleberry tomato - over 20 fruit blueberry sized or bigger and still setting razzleberry leaf roll and purple - seems slightly less purple today 12 week razzleberry - think yesterday's treatments are making progress on the purple problem, tho not the leaf roll 12 week razzleberry - a few of around 25 growing fruit, and still flowering like mad 

12 week bucks county, 13 week early girl, outgrowing their supports - in June 12 week bucks county, biggest fruits - hard to tell how many are growing 13 week early girl biggest fruits. Lots of aphids on both of these. 12 week brandy boy tomato 12 week brandy boy, biggest fruit removed due to BER 12 week tomande, extends another couple feet behind the satellite dish - huge 12 week tomande - has a *lot* of fruits - 50 set? maybe 8 this size already 

 

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Hi Gisette,

 

  Plants look great!  Weird you found my post on Gardenweb.  I didn’t use boron – I don’t think I went back and looked at the reply.  I’ve never seen that problem again.    Purple UNDERSIDES is a phosphorus deficiency – so you are on the right track adding a bit of fertilizer.  My plant had purple/black on the top of the leaf – underside was green.  I need to go back and look at my notes for 2007.  No ripe tomatoes yet, but plenty of green ones.  We’ve had 10 days in the 90’s this month – yuck.  Not supposed to be this hot and muggy in June!

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Thanks, Beth - good to know, re the phosphorus. Strange - the symptoms look related to the wrong-color-light issues indoors. But of all my tomato plants, that one gets more than enough sun.

We're in the middle of an 80's stretch here again this week. On the shoreline. I'm sure it's much hotter inland. Definitely hot for June!

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The tomatoes are doing too well, for the most part. These plants are too huge for June. Pruned tips on all but the razzleberry (the potted one). The razzleberry seems completely recovered. The bucks county tomato (my accidental beefsteak) lost another half dozen to BER, and a carmen pepper in the same growbox had BER on its biggest fruit. Scraped out some fertilizer there.

13 week razzleberry looks much better - greener, leaves uncurling, new growth 13 week razzleberry - leaves much improved! 13 week razzleberry biggest fruits - has lots 13/14 week bucks county and early girl tomatoes - freshly pruned, believe it or not... 13 week bucks county biggest fruit - still a lot of aphids 14 week early girl biggest fruit - has more fruit, but not as big as the bucks 13 week brandy boy - lost maybe 6 to BER - pruned tips and scraped out some fertilzer 13 week brandy boy - a clump of healthy toms (bigger ones lost to BER) 13-week tomande tomato behind small cukes 13 week tomande tomato - laden with tomatoes, all healthy, pruned tips on plant tomato tomande, small-fruited cucumbers, bush beans, tomato brandy boy, peppers 

I'm hoping to see a razzleberry and a bucks begin ripening next week? Their biggest look the right size and color for it, though it's crazy early for CT.

Dad's early girl and supertasty are tiny compared to even my razzleberry, and the supertasty hasn't set any fruit yet. I don't think they get enough sun. Mom's "sungold" has fruit that look red, not yellow, and it has early blight, and she says the first fruits were bitter. (The one I ate wasn't bitter.) Will try to doctor her plant, whatever it is... 

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All plants healthy, no BER losses! But, no ripening either. Oh, well. It's still very early for CT.

14 week razzleberry tomato healthy, nicely loaded for size of plant 14 week razzleberry - waiting for pink... 14/15 week bucks county and early girl tomatoes - no pink yet 14 week bucks county - expect color on biggest RSN 15 week early girl - might see color on this biggest soon - lots of fruit, but not as big as other tomatoes 14 week brandy boy - no more BER losses! some early blight, but basically happy plant 14 week brandy boy - no more BER losses! best fruits on sunny side of the plant 14 week tomande - hard to show whole plant from my little balcony - it's like 8'x10' wide and 6' tall, and ate my satellite dish. A pearl cuke is currently battling for domination. 14 week tomande - never a BER loss, exuberantly loaded huge happy plant 

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Hi Gisette,

  Not too much longer for you I think!  I picked my first Early Wonder tomato on 6/28 and 1st Cherokee Purple on 6/30.  I've now confirmed that the Cherokee Purple is just as early as the early red tomatoes I insist on growing each year.  Both plants set toms on 5/25 (I think).  So 37 days from tom set to ripe for the Cherokee Purple and 35 for the EW.  All first tomatoes taste so-so in my opinion.  Picked the second and third CH P yesterday.  Squirrel got a huge half ripe CH P.

Beth

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Hi, Beth,

Wow that's fast on your tomatoes ripening! Congratulations on having tomatoes! Do you think all your tomatoes ripen as fast as the early ones, or just the Cherokee Purple? I'd be surprised if my early girl ripened first this year, just by size of fruit. And I don't like its tomatoes as well as others. But I was impressed last year by its resilience to a lousy cold short rainy summer with epidemic fungus. Seemed like a good hedge bet.

I guess mine set about a week later than yours. But of course aside from today, it is cooler here. Oy, it's risen to 99°F as I've been typing, and it's just now solar noon - not yet the hottest part of the day. But I'm not sure I've ever seen temps 100 or above in shoreline CT. How high can it go, I wonder? It's already 5 degrees above the forecast. The Sound is already warm, but it still must be moderating the temperature today like any other day?

I'm glad you also report the first-tomatoes-aren't-great effect. Last year I almost cut down and tossed the early girl after tasting the first one, and debated it for the first 5 or so of my indoor-start jet star this year. Patience...is a virtue... with tomatoes... I can make it a mantra all I want, but patience still isn't my strong suit.

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First tomatoes turning red at last - should certainly eat one this week...

15 week razzleberry tomato - one ripening 15 week razzleberry tomato - one ripening 15/16 week bucks county and early girl tomatoes - one eg ripening 15 week bucks county - no sign of ripening, big tomatoes... 16 week early girl, first ripening tomato 15 week brandy boy tomato - more early blight, and BER back with a vengeance. Tied it up more... 15 week brandy boy - today's harvest of BER fruits ... one was starting to ripen, too 10 week small cukes and 15 week tomando tomato 15 week tomande tomatoes - one of this clutch might be about to turn 

I can't help thinking it's that particular growbox that's gone badly wrong on the BER front. Both brandy boy tomato and carmen tomato with BER - other two peppers stopped setting more fruit with only a small clutch on board - and last year's bucks county tomato lost almost all fruit to BER as well. Not a single BER loss on the bucks county in the driveway growbox. One BER loss on the tomande in the other growbox on the balcony. Will certainly replace all potting mix on that growbox before next year. But it may be that spot that has the problem. Or a combination of factors...

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And today the first two tomandes started reddening. Counting the BER brandy boy as ripening, if not eating, the last holdout is the bucks county tomato, whose tomatoes are actually biggest, regardless of the sales copy. The other 4 plants all started ripening within a few days, 5-6 weeks from setting fruit.

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Tomato harvest time begins.

First summer tomato - tomande (could have used another day), with 2 Japanese cukes razzleberry, early girl, tomande I like the shape variety in the tomandes tomandes and early girls starting to pile up... camera wasn't focusing for some reason 

The first razzleberry wasn't ripe - apparently that's not quite the right color for them. The tomandes may always be underripe on top and overripe on the bottom - they're cool looking. And taste great. Still waiting on the bigger-fruited bucks county and BER-suffering brandy boy.

16 week razzleberry tomato - picked one, but not ripe yet - this plant's my one determinate, and the only one flowering 16/17 week bucks and early girl tomatoes - bucks starting to ripen, EG harvesting 16 week first bucks county starting to ripen - biggest fruit of all my plants 16 week brandy boy, still suffering early blight and BER 16 week brandy boy - first non-BER fruits ripening 11 week pearl cuke and 16 week tomande tomato - removed other two cukes 16 week tomande harvesting - this plant is huge and loaded 

Dad says they just harvested another Jet Star from my indoor plant - I wasn't expecting that to reach harvest size again as fast as these other plants! His early girl and supertasty haven't reached harvest yet. Mom's sungold is still producing away.