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Indoor Winter Cucumbers 2011

Started my winter cukes - this year's first contenders are Tasty Jade (the Japanese cucumber Beth's been raving about), and Socrates:

tasty jade (johnny's selected seeds) socrates cucumber (johnny's selected seeds)

They both seem like good candidates for growing indoors. So far, they've just sprouted:

 

For an outrageously expensive seed (62 cents apiece ), the Socrates only sprouted 1 out of 2 planted. Edit:  eventually, the second Socrates seed sprouted.

They'll stay on the sunny windowsill, until big enough to transplant, probably. I've been having good luck with adding hydroton grow rocks to potted cucumbers. For seedling stage, modified that to 1/4 perlite to 3/4 Miracle Gro potting mix. Hopefully that'll keep them wet and dry enough...

Harvests:

socrates cucumbers: 22 (first 11/03, 7 weeks from seed!)
tasty jade cucumbers: 20 (first 11/19, 8.5 weeks from seed) 
super snappy peas: 12? pods (first 11/28, 9 weeks from seed)

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Felt the cukes were getting kinda stretched, so gave them a light. And 2 days later, gave them another light and full-sized pots. They're young yet, but I decided to germinate some peas, you see... So they got final pots when the peas had roots starting to extend.

   

Really responded fast to the additional CFL lighting.

Prepared the pots pretty carefully - Miracle Gro potting mixed, with Vegetables Alive! plant food and hydroton grow rocks and perlite mixed in.

The peas got legume innoculant. They're supposedly edible-podded, but we didn't care for the pods. The peas were great, tho... I've had really dire luck getting peas to germinate. Seem to always plant them right before an unexpected blizzard or 10" of rain. This time, soaked the seeds in water until plump - about 8 hours. Then rinsed them ~5 times a day for 2 days - never let them get dry, but not soaking in water either. And their roots started articulating. Then planted them - outdoors and in. (Some of the outdoor ones were sugar snap peas.) In an average winter, the ones outdoors probably don't have time to produce. But, Connecticut's autumns tend to be balmy, and sometimes the winters are mild. They might yield. Probably won't.

Oh, the second Socrates cuke seed did germinate eventually, but like 5 days after the first. It got thinned.

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Coming along nicely. Both cukes have little growth tufts now.  The super snappy peas are up, and look several days ahead of their cohort-mates outdoors. I need to remember this trick for pre-germinating peas. Normally, if I just plug them into the ground, even pre-soaked a little, they lay dormant for weeks outside, and then maybe a third sprout, eventually.

 

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Hi Gisette, I hope you like the Jade cuc! I've started my first winter cuc in the AG. It will be going into a DWC pot with hydroton in a bucket. I'll get around to taking pix. Had to take a work trip to the UK (waved to Peat while in the air) and had friends visiting this weekend. Got the peppers planted in the hydro unit, too, they're doing good -but I will be busy this week, a good friend's Mom passed away (not unexpected but still sad. I lost my Mom in 2000 and Dad in 2004 so I can relate..) Beth
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Looking forward to seeing your cukes when you have time, Beth! The jade cuke looks great so far. They're both outperforming outdoor-planted seeds.

I really wanted to try an autopot for the winter cuke this year, but money's tight, and I knew the pots would work. But I was thinking something like an autopot, or just a lot of growrocks with the nutrient solution, might work. The autopot isn't DWC, tho - more like ebb&flow. So I'm very interested to see how it works for you!

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Cukes doing very well. Added a third light bulb. Also as per the seed packet instructions, pinched off side growth tufts and little forming cukes up to the 5th node on the Socrates cuke. (Some on the Tasty Jade as well, but those haven't really formed yet.) Not sure about this, since I don't plan to train the plants up. But, should at least result in a stronger plant before developing first fruit.

3.5 week tasty jade and socrates cukes, 2 week super snappy peas - pruned off lowest fruit buds a la packet instruction

My one concern with the cukes is yellow-edged leaves. Hopefully that's from over-watering, since I can't imagine they're nutrient deficient in anything at this stage of the game. Though... I haven't really been overwatering. But they're not drinking much yet.

The peas are doing well. For comparison, the outdoor peas (of the same variety) are half the size. Oddly, the sugar snap peas planted outside are the same size as these. Good pea growing weather... I'm still really pleased with the results of pre-germinating the peas. Just sticking them in the ground, some small percentage would just be emerging now - or a week or so from now...

2 week super snappy peas - much smaller outdoors than the ones with indoor cukes

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Cukes happy. Added a fourth light bulb (reddish, aot the three 6500 lights), and training them sideways. Alas, the tasty jade shot up 6" overnight, the way cukes do, and kinda burnt its growth tip. Not pruning any more side shoots / cukes off of them - hopefully some will ripen now.

4.5 week tasty jade and socrates cucumbers, 3 week super snappy peas 4.5 weeks - socrates cucumber buds

And the comparison peas outdoors. Not sure how well the indoor peas will do with the cukes wrapping around them. The outdoor sugar snaps really took off this week - big pea plants for age 3 weeks! Used some Vegetables Alive! fertilizer on them last weekend.

3 week sugar snap peas - wow. 3 week super snappy peas

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Still no cukes plumping. Getting pretty crowded in the cuke enclosure, the peas have been swallowed.

5.5 week tasty jade and socrates cucumbers, 4 week super snappy peas 4 week sugar snap peas - climbing, but growth slowed with colder temperatures

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Cucs looking good! Nice and healthy! Hope you get peas!
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Beth - thanks for the comment, you inspired me. I rearranged the cuke furniture so the superstructure counter is between the pots (about same height as the pots), and the cuke plants spread out across that. And added another light. This way the cukes aren't coiled over the peas. More light volume, if not light density...

Getting to be quite a few little Socrates cukes on that vine, none convincingly plumping yet. The jet star is behind, but then, it grows bigger fruit. And I did burn off its growing tip - bit of a setback.

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Rearranged cukes for more light volume, and added a light. Still using the white board to reflect light back at them, just can't take a picture of them that way. May harvest first Socrates cukes by next week!

6.5 week tasty jade and socrates cukes, 5 week super snappy peas 6.5 weeks, biggest socrates cukes 6.5 weeks, biggest tasty jade cukes - not clear any are plumping yet 5 week super snappy peas not doing great, but they live

And the biggest of the outdoor peas - may yet live to fruit. Unlikely as it seemed they'd survive the weekend...

5 week sugar snap peas - may yet produce...

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First cuke harvest - at 7 weeks from seed! I like these Socrates cukes very much! Ate a second one last night (picked somewhat bigger.) None of the Tasty Jade cukes are really plumping yet, and the plant is putting out a lot of male flowers. Beth suggested once that means the plant is stressed. Feeding both cuke pots some Miracid, since that always seems to make them happier. Tried pollinating a few of the Tasty Jades with one of the male flowers, just to see what happens.

7.5 week cukes a-frolic 7 weeks, first Socrates cuke harvested! yummm 6 week super snappy peas not getting enough light

The peas aren't doing so well - overgrown with cucumber, and their leaves seem to die quickly if shaded. Their outdoor siblings still look healthy, though now getting frosted every night. These conditions won't kill them, but I'm not sure they'll bear fruit that way.

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Hi Gisette, Great looking cucs! Did you have to pollinate them? Sorry to hear about the Jade cucs! I'm wondering about the seeds. I never got male cuc flowers before this year. I was also not happy with the seed potatoes I got from Johnny's this year - huge potatoes I needed to cut into pieces. I just want egg size potatoes to plant with no fuss.
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Beth - nope, the Socrates are female-only. And I don't think any of the male flowers are on that plant, just the Tasty Jade. The Socrates description is another cool-weather cuke - grows best from 50 to 80 degrees. And the fruits look just like the cello-wrapped mini-cucumber 6-packs I buy in the supermarket, that are grown all winter in Ontario.

If I grew winter vegetables in Ontario, I'd like one that grew well under cool conditions. And in a window in my house in winter, 70 degrees is brief accident of afternoon sunlight.

Interesting about the seeds. You think Johnny's might be falling down a bit on their quality?

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Ate another Socrates cuke - yumm. And several of the Tasty Jades are finally developing. I'm pretty sure the ones that are growing, are ones that I hand-pollinated. Not pollinating any more at the moment, though, because I don't think it's good for the vine to develop more than 4 cukes at a time. That's how many flowers I pollinated last time, and it seems to be how many fruit are plumping up. Miracid treatment didn't stop the male flowers, but sure turbo-charged fruit growth. Anyway, however Tasty Jade is supposed to be, this one is acting like a normal 2-sex Japanese cuke. Which is fine - I love Japanese cucumbers.

   

Despite serious shading problems from the cukes, one of the peas has started to bloom.

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8 cukes harvested so far, including two tasty jades now. Yum. All cukes delicious, but we slightly prefer the Socrates. It has a more pronounced cucumber aroma with slightly stronger flavor. It also yields single-serve cukes more often, which is handy. But it's great having both. Will probably declare the first pea pod "done" within a couple days.

  

   

The weather's still pretty mild - frequent daytime highs up to the 60's. And light frosts don't kill peas. Still haven't flowered outside, though.

  

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Harvested another 7 cukes in the past 2 weeks, and maybe 6 pea pods (I'm not going to keep counting pea pods...) Yummm. They're both very good. But the pollinated Tasty Jades get big seeds and kinda thick skin, if left to grow to full size, and they don't seem to bear without pollination. The Socrates seem to appear full-grown whithout my having noticed one was growing, much less having to pollinate it. Cucumbers are tricky that way...

  

The peas are never going to amount to much, but they're a nice little treat. The outdoor peas planted at the same time are much bigger, healthier looking plants, but never flowered. The ones I had on a trellis, I just lay down on the ground today. It's getting down to 23ºF at night for a bit. So far they're not dead. But the chances of them ever bearing fruit are slim.

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Good cuc harvest! I got exactly 3 cucs from the hydro bucket. Not really worth it. Went ahead and planted seeds in potting mix. Geez, I never get cucs with seeds but I've never attempted to polinate the jade cucs either. I've read that cross pollinating this variety will cause problems with seeds and taste (can't remember - will have to look it up - one reason I only grow single variety in the garden). Beth
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OK, Tasty Jade is supposed to be all female. So in theory with no male flowers, no pollination and no seeds. Pollinating this cuc will produce seeds (of course) and bitterness. I now recall that when I got back from vacation I picked a couple of cucs from the garden that were really seedy! I didn't think much about it until Gisette's post. I emailed Johnny's seeds to ask if there was a problem with seed source. I don't WANT pollination with this variety. Not much of an issue with a (stressed) basement cuc but not good outside with those pesky pollinators. I do want to try socrates. It sounds like a great cuc. The Beit Alpha variety I grew (cucino?) was a little bitter. I'd love a sweeter single size cuc.
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Beth - I've quit pollinating now (have no male flowers anymore...), and the Jade seems to be developing a few more cukes. Fingers crossed that the new ones will taste better! The seeds got pretty big in the pollinated fruit.

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Cukes looking a bit shabby, but still producing well. Added some Vegetables Alive! fertilizer yesterday - they seem to like that. I yanked the peas a couple weeks ago - they didn't do very well.

 

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Still shabby looking of course, but yielded another 5 cukes this week. There are baby cukes everywhere, but only some fraction of them will grow. It got really cold a couple nights this week (13F, -3F with wind chill - that's -11C, -20C with wind chill), and it's cool in that window. But the cukes did fine. And there's more sun every day now...

 

I think the negative temperatures are why Americans are so resistant to Celsius. Somehow 13 degrees sounds ever so much more pleasant than -11.

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P.S. Anybody else get a sudden increase in Picasa storage? I did a double-take, thinking maybe I'd gotten into the wrong account. But Picasa suddenly seems to think I've got another gigabyte of storage free!

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No cukes harvested this week - they're developing too many in parallel. Quite a few on board. And no hand-pollinating - the Tasty Jades really do taste much better unpollinated!

 

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Five cukes this week (and one last week - just forgot to write it down). The plants look sad, yet still producing quite well, and the tasty jade has really hit its stride. The socrates may be on its way out. It doesn't drink its water nearly as fast as the tasty jade, and has a lot of fruit failing. Today I drained it of water completely - maybe the soil needs to dry out for a day. While the college students were here over Christmas, its main stem snapped almost through, so it's operating with narrow throughput. But - delivered two more cukes this week, anyway.

   

I replaced the one 4200K bulb with a lower-wattage 6500K bulb, so all 6500K now. Dunno if it makes much difference. I'm pretty sure the sun increasing again is doing good. And the temporary cold, not so much.

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Glad the tasty jade is ok for you! I ditched the hydroponic (bucket) cuc. Only 5 total cucs. I seriously have neglected all plants. Started way too early and have just been too busy at work. Did harvest 14 jalapenos tonight and 3 more giant marconi peppers. Did harvest near 3 pounds of swiss chard last weekend. It has been a really warm winter here so far! Was out in south bend indiana last week -brrr!

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Great to hear from you, Beth! Sorry the bucket cuke didn't work out. I'm pretty convinced cukes have a love/hate relationship with wet roots... My Socrates cuke is doing much better since its day of dryness.

Yeah, it's been warm here, too. Got a decent snow last weekend, all melted the next day. It's been raining for days now. And since our spring is so determined by how cold the Sound gets - I think the pansies are going out early this year! It'd be a nice change to have a decent spring growing season.

Great harvests on the jalapeños and chard! But I'm really impressed by harvesting giant marconi peppers! I've started some carmen seeds, but dunno that they're coming up. Those seeds sure don't last long.

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Oh, cukes! I was going to say - the tasty jades have been much better tasting lately! Like, it's surprising to notice a distinct difference in cucumber flavor from a vegetable one ate weeks ago, but it really shows up. Not sure which change caused this, but I suspect the renewal dose of Vegetables Alive! fertilizer. The plants still look mangey. But producing a lot of great-tasting cukes.

MirAcid makes the plants look less mangey. But doesn't improve the fruit so much.

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Another 4 cukes this week - avg 4 cukes/week in January. The Tasty Jade is definitely outperforming the Socrates lately (much bigger cukes, though one fewer harvested). They both taste great.

19.5 week tasty jade and socrates cucumbers

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Another 2 cukes this week. I may have left a couple Tasty Jades on the vine too long - hope it doesn't stop producing. Though these have already been growing quite a while, for cukes. I wonder how long I can spin it out?

 

 

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5 cuke week. The Tasty Jades continue to have holes running all through. I'm assuming that means they should have been picked sooner. Kinda misshapen, so they didn't look ready. There are like no nice-looking leaves on these plants, and they're producing well. Next gallon of water will be Miracid again.