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Aerogarden 3 - Herbs (Currently - Basil, Oregano & Dill - Originally Chives, Basil & Thyme)

On December 19th 2008, I planted Herbs (basil, thyme & chives)

The beginning of their journey is documented here http://www.jessijordan.com/aerogarden/beansherbs.html

The basil is ridiculous! It grows like a weeds and every other day I have to cut it. I have so many mini freezer bags full of basil it is almost scarey!

The thyme is doing ok. I never use it. I do wonder why it doesnt look like the pictures in the AG booklet

The chives... thats another story. The 1st set was disappointing to say the least. And the second set that is in there now (planted Feb 28, 2009) arent doing that much better. I have maybe 6 chives if Im lucky. I dont know what the deal is. I guess there just isnt that many seeds in the pod.

 

March 16, 2009

After changing the water and thorouhly rinsing out the bowl instead of putting the chives back in I decided to grow a new pod of Oregano!

    

I also cut some stems off the basil (to see if it willl grow roots) & have set it & and the chive pod in water in these adorable petite vases.

 

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Your not alone with the chives, mine did not come to anything worth eating - probably enough for one small caterpillar.

I planted some thyme seeds a number of weeks ago, this takes ages to grow...

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I just called AG & they r gonna send me oregano, dill & a jalapeño pod! I'm gonna stick the jalapeño in with my tomato plant. I can't wait! Salsa here I come!

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AG customer support is wonderful! I liked the dill and basil. Cilantro I tried and failed, mint sorta grew but never amounted to anything... The other herbs I've gotten, I repurposed the pods to grow my own seeds sooner or later.

Peppers grow much better in an Aerogarden than tomatoes do!

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Do you think that it is ok that I put the jalapeño pod in my AG3 with the tomato? You know the one we spent so much time fixing this weekend. The salsa kit does it right?

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I wouldn't, at least not until the tomato is definitely growing well and not bacteria-plagued. The AG3 doesn't have room for both of them to grow, anyway. Better to keep any chance of contamination away from the new jalapeño pod.

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ok. you are probably right... perhaps I need another AG3

Do jalapenos grow well in soil?

If not, should I put the tomato plant in soil & sanitize the AG3 it was in & do the jalapeno?

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Welcome to the addiction club. Though you might want to consider adding at least one of the tall systems to your stable (AG6 Elite+, Pro200, or Deluxe). The AG6Elite+ comes with a mega cherry tomato kit.

6.5 week carmen pepper for transplant Apr 1 - started too early, it has buds!Yeah, peppers are pretty easy in soil, too. I dunno about jalapeños specifically, but I have an Italian sweet pepper waiting to go outside that's grown entirely too well - the weather isn't nearly ready for it. This little guy's only 6.5 weeks old, and has mostly lived between 2 minis, plus a while sitting on my Deluxe. I snipped off its first set of buds, but may let the next bunch go ahead and set fruit, just for grins.

If the tomato looks like it's going to survive, I'd keep it in the AG3. Maybe wait a week or two and then decide. Since its root system was grown hydroponically, it'd be another huge setback to teach it life in soil, and it probably wouldn't make it, and then if you have no brighter lights than nestled between two AG3's, it probably wouldn't thrive.

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You are right! It is an addiction! We need AG Anonymus! I don't have a system larger than the AG3. I wanted to grow so many things (all for just me) that AG CS said I'd be better off with the AG3 so I got 4.

I think I will take 2 seeds out the jalapeno pod when it gets here and try it in soil, in between 2 AG3s like you did. It can't hurt. If it doesn't work I'll just keep trying till something it does. :D

I am also going to get mirrors and reflect the light coming from the AG3! I think that would be very cool! Wouldn't that double the amount of light the plants get? Do you know? If not I'm sure Peat would know!

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Sorry jessi, mirrors are a poor reflector of light  - you would be better off using some foil or mylar (which is very good). Matt white paint is also a good choice for walls - better get your paintbrush out.

What happens is the light has to pass through the glass, hit the reflective material and pass back out of the glass - the glass absorbs much of the usable light.

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I use chopped up bits of emergency blanket (aka solar blanket, etc) to trap light into the growing areas - $2 at Target, and I still haven't run out of the first blanket. They tend to shelve them with camping gear, or possibly in an automotive dept. (road emergency supplies, like flares). On my minis, I have like 5" wide strips as visors around the lights. I can enjoy looking at the plants more than without the draping, because it keeps the light on the plants and out of my eyes. Also the minis are side-by-side, and the drapes reflect light into the middle sweet spot where I grow non-AG plants.

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Did I tell you guys.... that you are awesome!!!!

Thanks Pete! I have my beans & herb set up in a corner right up against my matte white wall & I now have them on 2 white shelves I put together to make a reflective "table top" and wow it is brighter than it was on the pink top!

And Gisette! I am all over that  emergency blanket  idea just as soon as I can get to Target. Will Use foil for now but I'm so excited (and addictted) Cant wait till my other seeds get here!

 

 

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Oh, I meant Target was just where I bought it. Anyplace of that ilk - Walmart, Kmart, Target - a department store that includes camping gear or automotive supplies should have it.

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cool!  also do u guys think the plants would benefit from any additional light?

I have lamps I can put nearby. Can I get those Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs, the energy saving ones (whatever wattage you recomment 60, 70, 100) and give the AG3 cherry tomato, the mini tomatoes, the sweet peppers, jalapeno, chives, parsley & cilantro that I am gonna grow in soil extra light that way?

 

 

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The plants will love the extra light. The CFL's you talked about will do fine, however, they come in different colour temperatures i.e. 6500K, 2700K, 4200K to name but a few.

You need to buy ones rated at around 6500K, commonly called 'Daylight or Full Spectrum'. This will give the correct colour range to your plants, they need a certain light to grow properly.

The higher wattage the more growth.  It would be good to get some sort of reflector also, no point in wasting all that light - force it back down onto the plants.

There is more information here from previous posts.

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Sweet Peat! Thanks!

 

One more thing.. in that link u gave me u said...

I think anything you start in an AG will grow like crazy, it's the best thing you can do for a seed - a great beginning in life.

If I started my seeds in my AG3 at what point should I transfer them to soil?

 

 

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Transfer to soil before their roots develop much past the edges of the pod sponge. Because the roots won't like the transition to soil, if they've developed in water.

I rarely start plants in an AG for planting in soil, though. I'm starting some big outdoor plants that way now (full-size tomatoes, eggplants, etc.) for assorted reasons. But it seems to me they start almost as fast in Park Starts (see thread here). Sure is handy - can start up to 18 plants in one little stryofoam block, then pop their little sponges out and directly plug into potting mix, or into an AG3 pod basket, either one. Especially good for ornamentals, which can take a painfully long time to look like much.

Alas, the product doesn't seem to be on Park Seed's website any more. You could call and ask... Last year, I think I got 3 of the little styrofoam blocks, with their sponges pre-inserted (54 plants), for $8 or something. Plus shipping...

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can start up to 18 plants in one little stryofoam block, then pop their little sponges out and directly plug into potting mix

 

That sounds perfect to me!

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10 day old tomato, started in Pro100 and transplanted to soil at 9 days.FWIW, Jessi, I just potted up this tomato yesterday, after starting it in my Pro100 AG. It was only 9 days old, but its roots were getting long in the water. (Even a couple days speeding this one up mattered, since it's a backup plant for one I started 3 weeks ago and want to plant outside the first week in April, for an experiment.)

Developmentally, I don't think it's more than a day or two ahead of the one I started directly in soil. It depends on what kind of seed, whether the AG germinates them a lot faster. They all grow faster in the AG, after they have their true leaves. But if they're going to soil, best not to stay in water too long.

This is a full-size indeterminate Early Girl tomato vine. Not for the AG...

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It definitely looks adorable!

I am looking at the 6701 Park-Starts® Seed Starters with Watering Tray you suggested and wondering if getting the tray is worth it for just a couple days of faster growth. I mean the seeds will maybe here b4 the tray then I would have to wait for the tray to come.

Can I even plant all different kinds of seeds in that tray at the same time?

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Aha! You found a way to get at the Park Starts blocks!  Well done!

Yes, you can start seeds directly in potting mix. With varying success.

I get a lot of use out of my Park Starts block. The sponge inserts can transfer directly into AG3 / AG6 pod baskets, so I can use it to start seeds for soil or growrocks or AG - and yes, that is often useful.

For example, remember that starter nutrient tab? That you got one of? Cool, so now it's 4 weeks later, and you need to replace one of 3 pods... But your other two pods need full-strength nutes. If you plug in seeds into that 3rd pod hole, that plant will often fail to thrive - nute-poisoning. I just had that problem with my lettuce gardens, and tried several different things because I was running out of Park Starts sponges. None of them worked.

Yes, you can plant all different seeds. You can also pop out N of the sponges and save them for another time (put aluminum foil over unused holes to cut down on algae growth.)

They aren't necessary. But I find the Park Starts useful, and a whole lot cheaper than buying Aerogarden sponges. Your mileage may vary.

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First let me say that I have no starter nuts for anything I am going to grow...
Now you remember my line up...lol
 
chives, parsley, cilantro, strawberries, mini tomatoes, sweet pepper from buzzy seeds
 
and refill pods of jalapeno, oregano & dill from AG
 
I will have no nuts for any of this...which is funny.
 
When I got my 1st AG3, I  got a salad mix lettuce 7 pod kit that I split with my mom. I didnt bring home the starter nut so I called AG panicing &  I was told that the starter nuts are just half of  a tab of a growth nut so I could just use half of that.
 
I guess if I got the trays I could use half a tomato growth nut for the tomatoes, peppers & berries?
 
And half of an herb growth nut for the oregano, dill, chives parsley, cilantro?
 
What do u think of that? How do you use your AG nuts? Do u cruch them up in h20 then add them to the tray?
 

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Oh, cool - good to know the starter nutes are 1/2 the regular!

But note that is not what you do starting seeds in soil. More like 1/8th strength. Maybe less...

The Park Starts blocks come with Park's seed-starting nutes and directions - is that what you meant? Or you can buy Miracle Gro at any gardening center (Walmart, Home Depot, etc.) for use with whatever you put in potting mix. (If there's fertilizer already in it, it might overdose lettuce seeds...) You can get better results out of better nutes and other refinements (like, even Miracle Gro comes in different versions...you can buy all-organic fertilizers and potting mixes if that's important to you... etc.)

I wouldn't recommend using AG's nutrients on soil-planted plants. They don't recommend it either.

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OK let me see if I got it right now..

1. Start everything I want to plant in soil, in the Park Seed trays first and then pot them in soil when they have roots almost growing out the sponge.

 

2. Park trays have their own nuts. Use only Park trays nuts! (not any AG nuts)

 

3. Give em light.

 

4. When ready plant the baby sprouts in potting soil (Miracle Grow with fertilizer) & let em grow big & strong.

 

Did I get it right?

 

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That plan will work.

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Thank u! You are my AeroGardenian Angel!

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I ordered the Park start trays. I am very excited. Thanks for that tip!

I was also thinking that it would be helpful to have a list of useful AG tips here on th esite (if you dont already)

Here are my 3 cents worth of info AG has told me...

1. If you dont have a starter nutrient for starting a new AG garden, use 1/2 of a growth nutrient. It the exact same pill just the growth nutrient contains twice as much as the starter nutrient.

2. The nutrients tablets attract humidity and can sometimes leak out some of the nutrients that your plants need. If any sticky or wet residue appears on the nutrient bags, please be sure to rinse the bag out in the water bowl. Rinsing the bag in the water ensures that the nutrients are in the water bowl, not stuck to the bag.

3. Keep nutrients in the freezer to prevent #2 from happening.

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Good idea. Added to the lore book.

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yay! lore book!

Yay! I just got a Fed Delivery and it is my seeds & pot kits from buzzy!

Boo! I just spoke to park Seeds and the Park Trays are back ordered till the end of march or later!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

What do I do now?

Do u think these are worth it ? They do not come with nutrients

or should I just plant in soil & hope for the best! Help please!

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Cool re the buzzy stuff!

Bummer re the Park Starts. Well, they really shine in being able to start something in the block, and transfer to the AG3. So...

What all do you need to plant that isn't in the kits? You could probably get away with just buying organic potting mix (has organic nutrients only, probably won't overdose seedlings) and a box of Miracle Gro from your local Walmart / gardening center / whatever.

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Yea the kits come with pots, soil & seeds. I give them the water and light.

This many seem like such a silly question but isnt that all I really need to get started?